Curse

Shesi Celerere · Jan 08, 2010, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Scythe Mastery 12+1+3
Wind Mastery 8+1
Mysticism 11+1

Zealous Vow
Asuran Scan
Aura Slicer
Reap Impurities
Victorious Sweep
Optional
Aura of Holy Might
Drunken Master

I generally use a zealous scythe of enchanting and it varies whether I do 15^50 or +5e. I also use the above runes with a sup vig, another random one depending on what I feel like and windwalker insignias.

So I was playing with my build the other day(my derv is my main) and came up with this setup. It seemed to work pretty well and I hadn't seen anything quite like it so I decided to let you guys rip it apart and suggest things. In general I am looking for suggestions here, the build is meant to just be a damage dealer. I also noticed that it provides both a hex, asuran scan, and a condition, from aura slicer, which works well for discord. I am also wondering what would be best for the optional slot for general stuff. The way it is now, it could be from any profession so there are lots of possibilities. Go ahead and rip it apart as you like and flame about it as you like as long as you don't flame at me in-game. Have at it:P

Braxton619 · Jan 09, 2010, 02:19 AM // 02:19

Build Rating: 7/10

Can I ask you... why do you need that much energy? Remove Zealous Vow and replace it with Wounding Strike/Reaper's Sweep. Your zealous scythe should provide you enough energy. Also if it is not providing you with enough energy, put in Lyssa's Assault. Drunken Master is a good IMS if you are drunk using it. If you use it while not drunk, it's a terrible IMS. Everything else looks good. Have a nice day.

ac1inferno · Jan 09, 2010, 02:32 AM // 02:32

I suggest faster attacks and a [["Save Yourselves!"]:

[build prof=D/w Scythe=12+1+1 mysticism=6 WindPrayers=11+1][aura of holy might][asuran scan][eremite's attack][mystic sweep][protector's Strike][Save Yourselves!][Zealous Vow][Chilling Victory][/build]

Braxton619 · Jan 09, 2010, 04:15 AM // 04:15

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

I suggest faster attacks and a [["Save Yourselves!"]:

[build prof=D/w Scythe=12+1+1 mysticism=6 WindPrayers=11+1][aura of holy might][asuran scan][eremite's attack][mystic sweep][protector's Strike][Save Yourselves!][Zealous Vow][Chilling Victory][/build]

3/10

Terrible build there. Don't go with that build.

Shesi Celerere · Jan 09, 2010, 04:27 AM // 04:27

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Originally Posted by Braxton619

Build Rating: 7/10

Can I ask you... why do you need that much energy? Remove Zealous Vow and replace it with Wounding Strike/Reaper's Sweep. Your zealous scythe should provide you enough energy. Also if it is not providing you with enough energy, put in Lyssa's Assault. Drunken Master is a good IMS if you are drunk using it. If you use it while not drunk, it's a terrible IMS. Everything else looks good. Have a nice day.

I would like to ask one thing in return for your question, have you used the build yourself? From what I used of it, I actually ran out of energy at times even with zealous vow up at all times. Also, I am using drunk while doing stuff, otherwise I wouldn't use drunken master. I also came up with this because I wanted something different than the generic wounding strike/reaper's sweep with lyssa's assault since that is what I used for quite a while. I had also thought of the "Save Yourselves" and use that every now and then for some extra team support. It is mainly that optional slot that I am still have issues figuring out what to put there(since save yourselves has to take the place of one of the pve's there is still and empty slot) any suggestions on that in particular? Thanks for the help thus far, it is appreciated.

Braxton619 · Jan 09, 2010, 05:10 AM // 05:10

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Originally Posted by Shesi Celerere

I would like to ask one thing in return for your question, have you used the build yourself? From what I used of it, I actually ran out of energy at times even with zealous vow up at all times. Also, I am using drunk while doing stuff, otherwise I wouldn't use drunken master. I also came up with this because I wanted something different than the generic wounding strike/reaper's sweep with lyssa's assault since that is what I used for quite a while. I had also thought of the "Save Yourselves" and use that every now and then for some extra team support. It is mainly that optional slot that I am still have issues figuring out what to put there(since save yourselves has to take the place of one of the pve's there is still and empty slot) any suggestions on that in particular? Thanks for the help thus far, it is appreciated.

Your concept on Drunken Master is good. Using it while drunk is wise. However, I know you are going to have energy problems with that build. Put in Lyssa's Assault for that. If you are going to have any other energy issues, put on some radiant runes (not recommended for HM). Zealous Vow does no damage and its useless for pve. I used to have a dervish and never had issues with energy. Another thing, Save Yourselves is a poor alternate for a dervish. Because a scythe has a much lower attack rate, it is not proficient. Assassins (Daggers - Very Fast Attack Rate with 33%) and Paragons (Imbagon) can keep it up forever... so they are the best alternates for it.

The 2 problems with your build that are major is Energy Consuming and Low Damage. The build is useless if you know your going to have serious problems with energy in the first place. The statement that scared me when you said, "Even with ZV up, I sometimes have serious energy issues." Considering your getting 5-7 energy at a high IMS, that is a very scary thing. About the damage statement, your going to need high amounts of damage output in PvE. If you are vanquishing, your going to need a large DPS to overcome large groups. I vanquish with my assassin and my average adjacent DPS is 250-400. I usually wipe groups in a few seconds with my team build.

I'm going to say your build will work for NM but not for HM. It's just too weak for HM in my opinion, and RS/WS is better for HM than Zealous.

EDIT: Replace 16 Scythe Mastery to 14. 12+1+1
You do not want -75hp in PvE/PvP.

ac1inferno · Jan 09, 2010, 05:15 AM // 05:15

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Originally Posted by Braxton619

3/10

Terrible build there. Don't go with that build.

Why not? Its for spamming attacks and [["Save Yourselves!"].

MrDark88 · Jan 09, 2010, 05:31 AM // 05:31

EDIT: Talking about ac1inferno's build

That build does work in HM , especially if he has Strength of Honor on him/her. Combined with Asuran Scan he/she will hit 150+ per swing (+200 to quishies). Since he will be spamming the attack skills, his heroes will be eternally grateful for keeping SY! on them.

I personally use Conviction instead of Chilling Victory.

Verene · Jan 09, 2010, 05:54 AM // 05:54

I use something pretty similar most of the time.

Scythe 12+1+2 (yeah yeah, negative HP is bad, I know. I still have nearly 600HP most of the time, so meh.)
Mysticism 9+1
Wind Prayers 9+1

Zealous Sweep
Mystic Sweep
Victorious Sweep
[optional]
[optional] - Usually Asuran Scan
Aura of Holy Might
Heart of Fury
Zealous Vow

I don't run Discord so I don't really care about causing conditions. The first optional is just standard "fit in whatever you need for wherever you're going" (I often use either Pain Inverter or Mantra of Flame).

Honestly, it's so far the strongest build I've used. I've done AoL and WS/RS builds in the past, but neither I liked as much, nor worked as well, as this did. And it works perfectly fine in HM, too. Surprisingly so, in fact - I've mostly done HM stuff with my Rit, even though my Derv is my main, and when I decided to do some HM vanquishes with my Derv for Sunspear/Lightbringer points, I was pleasantly surprised at how quickly and easily I tore through things.

Slasher of Darkness · Jan 09, 2010, 08:49 AM // 08:49

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Originally Posted by Braxton619

3/10

Terrible build there. Don't go with that build.

Uhmm...yeeah, why is that such a terrible build? It's better than the build OP posted. If you're going to say lack of IAS then it doesn't need it. Have you ever used any of the builds posted here?

Shesi Celerere · Jan 09, 2010, 02:21 PM // 14:21

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Originally Posted by Braxton619

Your concept on Drunken Master is good. Using it while drunk is wise. However, I know you are going to have energy problems with that build. Put in Lyssa's Assault for that. If you are going to have any other energy issues, put on some radiant runes (not recommended for HM). Zealous Vow does no damage and its useless for pve. I used to have a dervish and never had issues with energy. Another thing, Save Yourselves is a poor alternate for a dervish. Because a scythe has a much lower attack rate, it is not proficient. Assassins (Daggers - Very Fast Attack Rate with 33%) and Paragons (Imbagon) can keep it up forever... so they are the best alternates for it.

The 2 problems with your build that are major is Energy Consuming and Low Damage. The build is useless if you know your going to have serious problems with energy in the first place. The statement that scared me when you said, "Even with ZV up, I sometimes have serious energy issues." Considering your getting 5-7 energy at a high IMS, that is a very scary thing. About the damage statement, your going to need high amounts of damage output in PvE. If you are vanquishing, your going to need a large DPS to overcome large groups. I vanquish with my assassin and my average adjacent DPS is 250-400. I usually wipe groups in a few seconds with my team build.

I'm going to say your build will work for NM but not for HM. It's just too weak for HM in my opinion, and RS/WS is better for HM than Zealous.

EDIT: Replace 16 Scythe Mastery to 14. 12+1+1
You do not want -75hp in PvE/PvP.

I would not say that my energy issues are "severe" as you put it. if I run out I simply hit once without a skill and I am back in action again. Not severe in my opinion. Abut the damage, I have been doing vanqs for the past several days without problem. I have been averaging 150-350 a swing without problem so I am not seeing where you are getting this "it just doesn't do enough damage" thing. I still encourage you and anyone else to actually go out and try the build. From my experience, this build has worked better than WS/RS with Lyssa's Assault.

Verene · Jan 09, 2010, 04:39 PM // 16:39

Lyssa's Assault is not a very good skill anyway. It's very expensive so you don't actually gain any energy from it, you just recoup what you used, and if your argument is damage...the damage on that skill is simply pitiful. The only thing it has over Zealous Sweep is a slightly shorter recharge.

But yeah, in my experience, ZV > RS/WS.

Bloody Dominator · Jan 09, 2010, 05:13 PM // 17:13

I was running a similar build to urs only with Whirling Charge and Dwarven Stability (the one that extends stance duration). But as some1 alrdy said replacing ur attack skills with faster ones suggested is gonna increase ur dps a bit more. With zealous vow ull easily spam them.

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Originally Posted by Braxton619

1.) put on some radiant runes (not recommended for HM).

2.)Zealous Vow does no damage and its useless for pve.

3.)Another thing, Save Yourselves is a poor alternate for a dervish. Because a scythe has a much lower attack rate, it is not proficient.

4.)About the damage statement, your going to need high amounts of damage output in PvE. If you are vanquishing, your going to need a large DPS to overcome large groups. I vanquish with my assassin and my average adjacent DPS is 250-400. I usually wipe groups in a few seconds with my team build.

5.)I'm going to say your build will work for NM but not for HM. It's just too weak for HM in my opinion, and RS/WS is better for HM than Zealous.

1.) I use radiants on my armor and i have vanquished NF and Factions with them without problems.

2.) Yes zealous vow does no dmg, but that doesnt mean its useless.... A dedicated monk does no dmg (unless wanding) but that doesnt make him useless now does it?

3.) Running Save Yourselfs on a derv is far from bad, combined with 3/4 attack skills, ur gonna do pretty good at spamming it, esp if hitting 3 foes.
i admit a sin, warrior or paragon will probably do better under certain conditions, but not always. So taking SY isnt bad at all

4.) This build has sufficient DPS, like OP said u can easily diss out 200-300dmg esp if combined with smite and rit support.
And wiping groups in just a few seconds? wauw, aren't u amazing...

5.) have u even tried the build then? it does a great job in HM and NM (but that aint hard

) RS and WS arent to bad, but Zealous Vow is imo a great elite that surpasses them both.